A public meeting was held in Winkler, April 18, 2011 where Pete Reimer and others shared personal life experiences as ex-members of a Church. Posted with permission.
LOL! The college test for final exams written by PMS with the questions: #1 For 100 points "I like my teacher" True or False. Question #14 bonus question for 200 points "I love my teacher" True or False. The last question for bonus marks Answer the question "Why do I love my teacher so much"
It was spread by word of mouth, and to find out about a meeting you would have to know someone involved in the situation. So far, another meeting has not been set up.
I'm amazed at the effort some people will go to in order to "destroy" someone. Doesn't sound very Christian-like to me (despite what that person has done to you or other). I'm pretty sure God didn't want people to get together and "gossip" about their problems in public.
This is not gossip, this is people sharing their personal experience to warn others.
Matthew 18:6 - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
I Timothy 5:19+20 - Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Numbers 32:23 - Behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
It's not about "destroying" someone. It's about standing up for what's right and stopping what's wrong. Do people honestly think all this would be happening if the preacher was actually honest and had nothing to hide?
Even tho I myself did not attend the meeting(nor have any hand in it), I believe that it probably helped those who have been hurt over the years to begin the healing process. This was a public meeting (spread by word of mouth),and everyone was made aware that the proceedings were being recorded.
I actually watched and listened to the recordings last night. VERY interesting.
At the very least,the pain and ridicule that some of these people went thru was made visible. I hope and pray that healing will now take place and people can begin to live their lives unhindered for GOD.
Prov 28:10 Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit.
Acts 10:34 God is no respecter of persons.
Proverbs 29:23-27 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit. Whoso is partner with a thief hateth his own soul: he heareth cursing and bewrayeth it not. The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe. An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is an abomination to the wicked.
Anon 4:20pm - You HAVE to be talking about PMS. Yes, PMS did and still is putting forth a BIG effort into 'destroying' peoples lives and he has his little 'YES MEN' in place. It's HIS way or the highway. If you are not a 'YES MAN' within an IFB church, you are put through unbiblical church discipline and your name is turned to mud. My family has been there and gone through unbelievable hardships in regards to the IFB church. It is our duty to warn others of his destructive ways. Thank you Pete for sharing. It's not an easy thing to do to put yourself out there like that. May people's eyes and hearts be open to the truth.
Prov 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Proverbs 26:24-28 He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him; When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart. Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation. Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him. A lying tongue hateth [those that are] afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.
3 John 1:10 - Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
There is a cult recovery center in the States called Wellspring. I think all you should go. I'm sure it would help you heal. I think I'll go to church, oh wait, the cult.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Just a note for Pete and all else who care to read. Just wanting to say that the standards that you talk about at the start of this audio clip. Thank you for almost literally drilling them into me as a teen while having me at your house or talking me fishing. the things you taught me back in those days has greatly helped in making me the man i am today. while you look back today and say they are a curse i look back and see how badly i could have messed up my life if it weren't for them and you. Thanks Again Jason Hiebert gtjay2@gmail.com 204-362-2907
Thank you Peter for sharing your story and sounding the alarm on the Diotrephes dictators who want preeminence. We also have a story to tell and it relates to one of Michael Sullivant’s disciples John Rempel at MBC in Brownsville Ontario (see the anonymous story as well). We don’t have 13 years of experience in the church but 3 years was enough. As we were not properly treated, shunned and told to leave we want to warn others before they get involved in these churches. PVBC had a direct hand in this as MBC is a satellite dependent upon PVBC. Look for our story we are thinking of doing an audio and possibly a video documentary. Give this verse some thought 3rd John:9-10 “I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the pre-eminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.”
Pete.. were you working at, or keeping an eye on things at the collage when Laura was attending and ended up leaving the church? Are your two stories connected somehow?
I feel that it is important for me to say that any information which I have shared was my personal experiences while at pvbc. Although I have only shared just a few minor details at the meeting one does need to understand that these are MY experiences. There is no way that time would have allowed for me to share all my experiences that night. While in a youth pastor position; at no time did I ever try to deceive or lead anyone astray, not youth or children or adult. Im not saying that I wouldn't do things different if I had the chance to do it again, but I did the best I could with the knowledge I had a the time. I too was deceived by many beliefs,so called convictions and walk of the christian life. Im sure I wouldn't have been placed into a postion of leadership if I would have had a difference in opinion at that time. Im sure God blessed many inspite of my ignorance, and still continues to do so. My problem has never been with the people of pvbc only those who where in leadership at the time and refused to hear me out; turning their backs on me and shunning me and continuing to listen to the lies that pms feed them so that they wouldn't turn on him. Many of these individuals have known about these problems for years but know that if they will speak out pms will do the same to them as he has to other Innocent people. Some are in so deep that they think their lives would be destroyed if they spoke out the truth. The truth is that there are many great people who still attended pvbc but honestly haven't got the slightest idea what has and continues to go on behind closed doors. When My family left all of are so called friends deserted us and stopped fellowship with us because they choose to believe the lies that pms told them. He did so because he knew that I saw and knew to much and having anyone listen and believe what I told them would jeopardize his creditability and position as pastor of the church. People have asked me why I want to destroy pms? The answer is I don't, proof shows that he has done that all on his own. For a long time I approached him in a Biblical fashion addressing my concerns, By myself and with other members, college staff, Dr Dell. and so on. On most cases pms sent them out of the meetings so that I would have no witnesses. I then told him if I couldn't have any witnesses I wouldn't be having any more meetings with him. This is where pms then told the church that I refused to meet with him and get things right. See pms mixes some truth with some lies so that he can say he told the truth. I still wait for most of our old friends to come to me and hear my side of the story. It amazes me how someone can make a decision with only half the information or one side of the story. I have never turned my back on any of our old friends but choose not to approach them because I was accused of trying to split the church, so I thought if they wanted to hear my side they could come ask me. I thank God that we are free from the bondage we were in at pvbc. Now being on the outside I could choose to be ignorant and avoid the problems at pvbc, or I can do my christian duty and protect others from the same harm many have been through. I am threatened , defamed, lied about, and even been told that I was being sent to hell and given to the devil. Trust me you really cant hurt my feelings anymore. I know Im a child of God and that he loves me and all that He has, I have inherited as His child. By Gods Mercy and Grace I continue. Many of you have read the stories of others experiences and someday soon I too will share mine. PETE REIMER
My how you wolves are circling. But instead of howling it sounds more like whimpering:{ Did Pete and the others get their bottles tonight? 4:39 p.m. you condemn yourself and the other reprobates with the scriptures. Reprobate, according to Websters is abandoned to error and or apostasy, Sounds like the panel the other night. Keep whimpering you wolves in cheap sheep clothes:(
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when so many people are saying the same thing about one man, there is something wrong here. If it was only a few mistakes he had made, we would accept that because everyone is human. Most people that leave just want to leave quietly and not harm the cause of Christ. But he has hurt and broken so many families that we would be hurting the cause of Christ by NOT warning the innocent about him. He DOES have something to hide. Question him about anything and you will be publicly humiliated. He is afraid of anyone who knows the truth about him and that is why he feels the need to discredit them, tell the congregation lies that they swallow without question. I heard a member say the other day "It doesn't matter what the Bible says, if pastor says it, it must be true" Looks a bit cultish to me with all the shunning that is encouraged. Does anyone wonder why there is such a high turnover of staff? 4 Staff couples got church disciplined, 4 of the original 5 deacons have chosen to step down, 3 have left all together. At least 7 people have been church disciplined for reasons the Bible never mentions. People in leadership just disappear and nobody thinks twice? I know personally over 50 members who have left, I'm sure there are many more that I don't know of and I know several who have left in the past month. People. Something is wrong. The guy in charge is not God. He thinks he is and it is wrong. A new pastor is needed, one who is accountable for his actions.
So, when do you people have your appointments or meetings lined up for the other side of the story???
Oh right you don't have to follow BIBLE when you decide on your own relevance who lies and doesn't.
I believe Laura had someone on her site with the solution of all the deacons and Pastor resigning, and an interim put in place till the people vote a new Pastor? That would be up to the members to decide, and it seems people at this meeting "pulled" theirs, or attend so little they are inactive. Some say they are not members till they want to be at meetings, then they proclaim to be members! WOW.
I have yet to understand, are these people members of a church anywhere yet? Why do they not serve there and be a part of something they can believe in. That's freedom of religion folks.
I disagree with and know plenty of sins of pastors in town and guess what?... that's their church business, and I can attend wherever I choose.
Our church chooses our Pastor. Get over it, and find yourself one you can follow. Your bittterness does not speak to a justified hurt, it speaks to your poor character and spiritual life.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that rebellion exists and people lie, and that people cover up their own sins.
Let's have all the sins of the testimony tellers be posted out on the table...no second thought enters your mind to grill your anti-PMS people's lives.
You think it's only fair for Pastor Sullivant. So, why don't you confess your faults one to another TRULY.
We know sin isn't your issue, because that is why the church disciplined...you would not repent of sins, so yes, of course you don't air that part of your dirty laundry.
No it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that over 500 people that attend PVBC can't be wrong about their Pastors and deacons being good leaders.
If truth is measured in numbers than we still win. This public tactic is a reliance on false sympathy and lack of trust in the Lord for your own life.
These people want to quote scripture to justify their actions. Well, here is one they seem to be forgetting also:
Romans 12:19. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Why are you not moving on with life, living in peace and trusting God to take care of the whole situation? If it needs to be taken care of God can do a much better job than any of you. Besides, if any of you are wrong in your behaviors, you will have to answer for it. So, why not just trust God to handle it all instead of trying to step in and do the work for Him? It's different if some criminal activity took place and if it did then why have none of you gone to the police to fix it. If no criminal activity has taken place then why are you not moving on and succeeding elsewhere in your lives? Wouldn't that be the best revenge/testimony? That PMS couldn't destroy you and take you down. But, it seems you're letting the one that "destroyed" you have all the control over your lives even after you've left.
In God's Kingdom, revenge is unacceptable behavior, as is insulting a person, no matter how indirectly it is done. Instead, Jesus says we should do good to those who wrong us. Our desire should not be to keep score, but, to love and forgive. This is not natural - it is supernatural. Only God could give us the strength to love as he does.
Instead of planning vengeance, pray for those who hurt you. Rise above getting back at those who hurt you. By loving and praying for our enemies, we can overcome evil with good. According to Jesus, it is more important to give justice and mercy than to receive it.
Your best approach would be one of godly behavior: You should show others the kind self-giving love that Christ shows. By being exemplary Christians and showing a changed life, others may join you and become Christians too. A changed life speaks loudly and clearly, and it is often the most effective way to influence. Others may be won over by your love.
By giving an enemy a drink, we're not excusing his misdeeds. We're recognizing them, forgiving him, and loving him in spite of his sins-Just as Christ did for us. After all, the core of Christian living is to be like Christ.
Why Should We Forgive Our Enemies?
1. Forgiveness may break the cycle of retaliation and lead to mutual reconciliation 2. It may make the enemy feel ashamed and change his or her ways 3. By contrast, repaying evil for evil hurts you just as much as it hurts your enemy
Peter says in the Bible, "Don't repay evil for evil. Don't retaliate with insults when people insult you. Instead, pay them back with blessing. That is what God has called you to do, and he will bless you for it. For the Scriptures say,
"If you want to enjoy life and see many happy days, keep your tongue from speaking evil and your lips from telling lies. Turn away from evil and do good. Search for peace and work to maintain it. The eyes of the Lord watch over those who do right, and his ears are open to their prayers. But the Lord turns his face against those who do evil." (1 Peter 3 9-12)
Even if your enemy never repents, forgiving him or her will free you of a heavy load of bitterness. Sometimes forgiving a personal attack shows more strength than lashing out in revenge. Trying to prove one's power and authority often proves only one's fear and self doubt. When tempted to return evil with evil, leave revenge to God and spare yourself the dreadful consequences of sin-God will bless you for it. Put your energy into moving on and the rest will take care of itself.
So, was there any scripture mentioned in that "secret" meeting held between the disgruntled? Was there any Scriptural basis for these people coming together, besides sharing their hurt? Honestly, sad. Pete, for you to have to keep a test that had a humorous question as "evidence" for however many years, and make a duplicate to hide in a safe place, can we say, paranoid? Anyone who know the pastor knows that he has a sense of humour. Good grief, to talk for 90 minutes about your grievances?! Well, he had many a listening ear, for birds of a feather flock together.
Forgiving someone has nothing to do with the TRUTH people are bringing to light.
Can we get some definitions straight?
Vengeance: infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge
If a blog makes our side of the story available, that's balance.
He has a literal bully pulpit. He sought to cut us off from all support of friends and the fellowship of the brethren. We have the right to tell the brethren our side. This is just a real life consequence of his actions. It doesn't come close to "revenge"
It is a lie about people trying to destroy him, our prayer is that he will get right and restore the families he has broken.
He has made it so there is no way for people including the deacons to question him.
1 Timothy 5:19,20 "Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. THEM that sin rebuke before ALL, that others also may fear."
I have a problem with him telling me that only he knows what God's will for my life is, not only with my job but also with who I date and who I associate with. He is a spiritual bully. And what he does is so clearly spiritual abuse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_abuse
This is for April 26, 9:21 a.m....No one should find a pastor he can "follow". Christians must follow Christ and Christ alone; He is our example.
For April 26, 9:31 a.m....Just so you know...in fact, truth is NOT measured in numbers. More and more you, who follow Sullivant, reveal your state of mind and attitude; it is not doing any of you a favour and most assuredly not doing the Lord's work a favour.
For April 26, 9:50 a.m....This is very good advice for Michael Sullivant. Thanks for posting it. I feel very sorry for him and his family; he will be held accountable for his family. He will also be held accountable for each of the church members/attendees that he has been an ungodly example to. I know that even now the Lord is waiting for Michael Sullivant to repent. The Lord still loves him as much as he did when he first was conceived and was totally innocent. It does not do Michael any good for others to condone his actions. Let's pray that he will repent, have genuine remorse and find genuine love for his family, and be a godly example to them, especially his sons who seemingly have learned well from him or who feel they must do as he does in order to stay in his favour. God, be merciful.
Boy! You YES MEN... I mean deacons sure don't listen to your master too well.
Oh, but, perhaps staying off the blogs only applied to the members not the leadership. Tisk,tisk, sounds like another double standard. Seems like someone is getting on the defensive again, and can't help but ooze with arrogance and distain everytime they comment.
You naysayers can try to discredit us all you want and call us reprobates. But, I wonder how fasinated people would be to see the sins of the deacons or college leadership placed out on the table. Seeing as some of them also have trouble keeping their teens in line.(eg. NEW YEARS EVE) Hummmm!...I'm sure the cops would love to hear about that one.
You want to talk about paranoid? I wonder how BIG that filing cabinet is, where the "pastor" keeps all his dirt on people.
Oh, but we should just LOVE and FORGIVE, even thought the preacher refuses to LOVE and FORGIVE. ...Oops! sounds like another double standard.
Nope! Simply "moving on" won't cut it anymore. Besides, that would only take the pressure off. Wouldn't want to do that now, would we?
Oh foi...everyone on this side thinks they are righteous. Everyone on that side thinks they are righteous. No one is winning this fight. And yes, it's a fight.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
1 Thessalonians 2:6 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.
7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
8 So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.
9 For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they [have] off the Jews:
I was simply referring to YOU people against Pastor Sullivant, you keep saying If SO MANY PEOPLE have something to say it must be true...sounds to me like you are measuring truth by numbers!
Nice try at a turn around.
And we should take out the verse, Follow me as I follow Christ???? ...ummm...I recall the Bible referring to this attitude...the ones who insist WE FOLLOW CHRIST, not Paul or Apollas. And surely God never raised up leaders to lead people?
Let's not be jouvenile and try to portray that one can not respect the office of a pastor, and be respecful and loyal to him as well as follow Christ.
I am seeing a resounding theme from the people posting "their side of the story"...
Fools won't be corrected, scorners won't be rebuked,and in general the Bible principles for dealing with offences and church matters are completely disregarded.
PLEASE, prove to me that you follow Christ. ??????????????????????????
To 1:49 The phrase is "follow me as I follow Christ" not just follow me. If the pastor is not following Christ then he should not be followed whether he is a pastor or not.SIBU
To April 26 1:29 If you really think that it is right for a pastor to have a "file" on different people, it just shows how far from Grace you have fallen. God puts our sins as far as the east is from the west and buries them in the deepest sea. If Sullivant were following Christ shouldn't he be doing the same? The people who know he has a file on them have probably already sought forgiveness and restitution from those they need to. Sullivant can't afford to "open" the files on people he can only threaten people with them. If he were to "open" the files, he would probably be hit with numerous libel, slander, and defamation of character suits for involving people who shouldn't be involved in certain matters.
*** The self-purging, the leaving of disgruntled people from the PVBC has removed some significant leaven. People aren't shunning you, they hate the actions that are designed to satisfy the needs of some people that have needs to hurt and to destroy. If you meet me and want t oshare what the Lord is doing in your life, lets talk. If you want to entice me to say bad things about someone - then yes I will turn my back on you because I hate negative people. I would do that with any other person too. It is time you people learn to live a life that pleases the Lord, not one that trys to destroy his Kingdom.
When Sullivant teaches we are to forgive and forget other's offences, then we would expect him to practice what he preaches, wouldn't we? So it's hard to believe he would be in possession of files containing sins of past/present members. But WHOA, did one of his men say Sullivant "has dirt?" Does he REALLY?
I'm just gonna bare my heart out here because there is a lot of misrepresentation going on.
I can only speak for my self.
These past 6 months have been extremely hard on me and my family, I've been attending an awesome church that has helped me a lot in my relationship with Christ, there was a lot of healing taking place, I remember at one point telling my sister Melodie that I was going to be grateful for PVBC, it is preaching the gospel and if people are being saved and helped through that, what am I to harbor ill feelings towards it?
As far as I was concerned PVBC was behind me, I was free and it was not affecting my life and I could move on, forgive and forget so to speak. Forgiveness is sometimes a constant thing with scares that run so deep.
Perhaps that time in my life was meant to prepare me for this?
EVERYDAY since this all began I've had to battle with the urge for vengeance, hate and bitterness. It is only because of God that love has overcome, this is not to say that I have not been angry.
I pray for everyone in this situation, and no, I don't pray bad things on them! I pray for TOTAL reconciliation and healing.
I feel an immense sadness and grief for the people who are deceived (including MS himself), also my brother-in-law & sister. Only God can fix all of this.
I have said somethings I do regret, I have to remember that while I'm angry NOT to sin.
I have no problem with people choosing the IFB lifestyle, that is their prerogative, I just do not believe that it should tear apart families. My family is not complete without my bro-in-law, sister & children, we love them so much and miss them.
Yes, my dad has changed, all I've seen is good changes, and that is coming from a daughter that has not always been his biggest fan... he is not, and neither is anyone else in our family SDA, I wish everyone could believe that!
I am pleading for wisdom, understanding, love and grace here. Are we not Christians? are we not all going to be spending eternity together? I would love to have relationships fixed before we get up there.
I can't move on without my sister, and I don't want to, without her & her family.
My time and energy spent with all of this has one motive and purpose, to see my family whole again.
Do you realize,that you said you 'hate negative people'?? The Bible says we are to love the SINNER and hate the SIN!
You are very vocal on both of these blogs,and because of the libel that you yourself have committed I am being forced to edit you on mine.
No one can take us from the hand of God, just as no man can even come close to damaging His kingdom.
Just because someone is a pastor or deacon of a church,does not mean we are to ignore the verses in the Bible that pertain to rebuking a brother in Christ.
The only way that you can believe that they are above rebuke,is if you believe that they are above sinning and the flesh. These are all just men...Human beings with the same temptations and sinful thoughts as 'joe-blow' on the street.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer.17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately wicked:Who can know it?
Not one of us has not told a lie,or had a bad thought about someone or something...
Are there any of us that have the power/ability to see into the HEART of someone??? Its easy to believe that someone is a murderer when there's a body,but what about the sins that are committed in the heart? Or with the tongue?
1 Samuel 16:7 But the Lord said unto Samuel,look not on his countenance,or on the height of his stature;because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth;for man looketh on the outward appearance,but the Lord looketh on the heart.
*** That is a good example that you should follow for all the bloggers. Do you think all those posting such hateful stuff against your father, were doing so in love? You will have to go to long lengths of editing, if after you decided to edit mine. You are responsible for everything said on your blog. It is good start by editing mine, keep up the good work. One other thing... you need to do a search on 'precedent setting legal cases involving blogging.." you will find those interesting also. The stack of hateful material is growing when one prints out the total blog....
HAHAHAHA!! Just remember Mr.***, that if you decide to write a novel with the now 511+ pages you've printed,I reserve the rights to any and all royalties.
*** I would expect you to write the forward and part of the intro.... Jason could write the other half ab out the PVBC.. He seems to have an interest there .... More seriously, nevertheless how it plays out will be interesting... Will you be happy when your father and mother, sister and brothers are fully exposed, hung from the ceiling,and destroyed, with only the studs and rafters rs remaining at the church?
Don't worry Laura, Mr. *** and others are only trying to protect a corrupt PVBC leadership; they are not interested in the truth being told. They are using the threat of legal action under hate law legislation to muzzel those that know the truth. It would be a big stretch to think that Canada's hate laws could be brought to bear on those that tell the truth about their own experiences at PVBC.
Like the good book says, The truth will set you free.
Keep up the good work Laura! In the end PVBC will be blessed from a much needed purging.
Here on April 13, 2011 7:12 AM you can see where H Siemens identifies himself as being the man with the THREE asterisks as *** . Yes *** is H Siemens. Remember the threee asterisks. ***
He is a VERY CLOSE FRIEND of PMS. Laura needs to know who Harry(***) is so that Laura knows who she is "sparring" with.
Wow somebody is panicking with an all-points bulletin for Harry - he must be an awesome person. If I didn't know any better, it sounds and feels like a Dennis, but I might be wrong. That would be a rarity.
Days go by and the comments continue. With no surprise to every sharing comment there's always an excuse or proud arrogant comeback. When people cannot freely express there experiences without others disputing or degrading the experiences these people have had; to me it shows the mindset and practices of these individuals. These experiences no doubt have effected people physical, mentally and spiritually. I can honestly see the true colours of these individuals and there closed minds. I read of comments from people who where never even involved with pvbc when many of these situations took place and find it interesting how they seem to know all the answers. I thank those who do keep me informed of items of interest and would like to say I knew who *** or Harry Siemens was from the first time he addressed me. You see I too know many people and have many connections. A man still working on becoming a "journalist" in a tenth place paper proclaiming to be all knowing and famous. Not really all that interesting to listen too, hoping a blog might get his name in lights. Here's one for you ,why would someone like HS get involved in something he knows little or nothing about? While your working on that I'll share something with you. Either way it don't make no difference to me my story continues. Pete Reimer
PMS needs to know where his life ends and where other peoples lives begin. Why does the college need to control who dates whom? That really is none of their business. But I guess they choose to reward the obedient/automatons and punish those who choose to actually think for themselves and make their own decisions. ---Floppyjoe---
To:*** @ 10:12 AM April 27 I have no interest in the PVBC. You make it sound like I have been hanging out there. I have been there four times in my life!
1- The first time I called pastor Sullivant and asked him if I could meet with him, as I had never met him before. This was about 10 years ago.
2- The second time I showed up at a service and talked to Mike and Brenda and some of Laura's siblings. This time I asked Mike what it would take to bring this family back together. I was told that Laura had to submit in writing that her accusations were false. I told him then that I couldn't see that happening. This was about 3 or 4 years ago.
3- The third visit was when I showed up a few weeks ago at the Wed. night service, when Pastor Sullivant addressed some of the accusations against him. That night I talked to Brenda, and a few of the siblings(and others)I was rude to Mathew that night, and after leaving and giving it some thought, I felt I owed him an apology.
4- The fourth visit was a week and a half after the prev. Wed night service. We were In the area for the weekend. I came to the Sunday morning service. My only reason for going was to apologize to Mathew. I did apologize to Mathew for the way I spoke to him. He accepted my apology. I then met the rest of Laura's siblings except for Michael Jr.
So to set the record straight, I have no interest in the PVBC! I do however have an interest in meeting the other side of a family that I have not had the chance to get to know. Can you blame me for this? I'm sure you will find a way.
Jason - It was never mentioned you were hanging out at PVBC .. It was strange you showed up a few times at a church that some people on this blog despise, and some go even further than that, but I don't want to use the 'h...' word. What has been said about the entire Sullivant family here goes beyond anything one would wish on one's worst enemy. To PR, HS is proud of contributing to a 10th place paper as you call it. However, by saying that you just put down the 14,000 of so people that read it weekly. He doesn't need to let his light shine other than to let his light shine for Jesus. His access to media in the USA and Canada is quite remarkable, but always he has been an advocate for the food producers of this world, whether in Winkler, - Manitoba Canada and the world. If freedom to you means bashing whoever doesn't agree with you so be it. HS choses to raise and praise the name of Jesus, the one who died to set him free. As the song writer says he is an eternal - lifer... I'm sure your story will continue. Try HS, and maybe you will see where the story could go.. Many media outlets would love your so-called juicy hoary details. Every time someone posts a negative comment about Pastor Sullivant, his family, and the members of the PVBC, the prayer chain lengthens. God is at work shown by the testimonies of four young bible school students recently. You want to experience life changing teaching, people who will be out winning souls for Jesus, not spending time on this blog venting and encouraging more 'h....-mongering'. Amazing Grace he died for me to set me free... Remember PR, while He was on the cross, I was on His mind. What a blessing, what privilege to know Jesus as Lord, to serve a risen Saviour, He lives! He lives within my heart! Take a moment to look at what is going on in Alabama, Japan, and around the world. This place PR, that spawned the 10th place paper, is the most fortunate place on this planet. Give God the glory for allowing you to live in such a place. Others are knocking at the Canadian immigration door, nearly a million on the waiting list wanting to come to Canada and many to Winkler and southern Manitoba where this 10th place paper is catching on, and catching on fast.
Many of you are waiting for me to continue to speak out on my experiences at pvbc and the things which I have seen. Before I do that I would like to share with you a letter that My wife and I received from Mike Sullivant during are so called discipline time. It states as follows Dated November 10, 1998 "Pete and Connie, we love you and want you restored to fellowship. We want to prove to you that we are "blameless" as church leadership. We can not keep you from accusing us but we can make sure that we do right. Pete,if you have the truth to your charges we need to know so we can make it right. God's work is too important to go on in sin. There are many other things I could try and set right but the above will suffice for now". One can read this and say ya so what's your point. Lots. #1 Why were we church disciplined? Especially Connie she wasn"t the youth Pastor I was. She was totally innocent in all of this.You disciplined our family Me, Connie and are children, Ashley was 6 years old, Colton was 2 years old and Brittany was 1 year old, what did they ever do? What does the Bible say of falsely Punishing those of like mindedness? #2 You have never proved to me that you as church leadership are "blameless".Rather every time I came to you alone or with others you said I was lying and told me to stay away from the ones where I got the truth from. You fired anyone who had proof or questioned you with any questionable situations or activities. Time after time I brought proof of my allegations and you refused to hear us out. I brought witnesses and you told them they would have to leave because this was between you and me. You never wanted me to have a witness for anything that took place. You could use Dr Dell for your advantage when needed but when I brought him as proof for my allegations you told him he was not allowed to speak and when He did speak out in my defense and as my proof you told him to leave. I found It very interesting how Dr Dell was such a man of God when it was to back you up but when He spoke out against you He instantly turned into a thief and a man of sin. You get your men to threaten me, defame me and my business, discredit everything I say and try to destroy me. Your hatred towards me and my family has gone on for the past 13 years and now you try to tell me I cant tell my story. I haven't even begun with the MEAT. It's time for you to get the truth out and come clean. My story is way bigger than what will get posted on a blog. Pete Reimer
Pete Reimer, you have some serious issues, Why on earth are you contacting a Pastor, with whom you obviously need to have a good chat with, through the internet, and through a blog that originated out of disgruntlement with that very church? You say you are so Christian, but your actions speak louder than words. You are acting like the little boy that got his toy taken away. How old are you? I don't doubt that there are issues that need resolving, but from your own testimony, you said that the issues you have are with the pastor, so go to him already. Are you truly willing to hear him out as you want to be heard? After 10+ years or however many, you are still living and breathing this mess? Have you moved forward at all in you walk with God? I am not judging, I am asking because it sure sounds like you are in bondage to the past. Let. It. Go. Let God.
As Rebecca has stated, there comes a time when dirt and accusations begin to eat up the person who flails them, it destroys, and hurts families and innocents. How often haven't we, at least I have, apologized to a person I thought I had something on, I wished the worst for him, I even vented with some so-called friends, only to find out when I did go a meet him, all my vengeance hadn't affected that person a single iota. But when one tells the world those same things as we are on this blog, the effects can be much more far-reaching... Rebecca - do you really think all the people here that have accused and hurt will spend eternity with you? Will we have turned off some want-to-be Christians who said as my doctor friend said so many years ago when I thought he was ready to accept Christ. He said, "I'd rather spend eternity in hell then with my so-called friends in Heaven." That was before the PVBC ever existed. That was the reflection of what he had experienced. Oh, I know that excuse won't wash for him, but how many people have we so-called Christians made react that same way? Just asking...
Why do you try to reach others for Christ? Why do you go out and tell others about Jesus? Because you know there are people out there dying and going to hell! Going in the wrong direction! Why don't you just "Let. It. Go. Let God." Is God not more capable to win souls than us meager humans? Why? Because God chooses to use us as tools to further his Kingdom.
Likewise, those that have seen a wolf in sheep's clothing are choosing to be used of God as tools to warn others of a false teacher. They see people heading in the wrong direction. Why don't they just "Let God"? Because they are Jesus' hands and feet, the body of Christ.
Answer me this, regardless of what you believe is happening at the [church], if you knew of a false teacher would you just sit idly by watching people get hurt and deceived??? I think not. You would warn them. And if you say you wouldn't warn them, then I would question your love of the brethren.
@Southern Manitoban Is it just me or is it extremely paradoxical for someone who has so much to say on here to advocate letting go and letting God? Maybe you should take your own advice and use the time you spend commenting here praying or something. Let. It. Go. Let God.
good grief, you totally missed the point. I was speaking to Pete Reimer, who has not let go of bitterness as evidenced by his actions and words. If he were truly concerned about that church being a "cult" with false teaching why doesn't he go to the pastor? That's who he has a beef with, right? That is my point, if he is not willing to take a Scriptural route to deal with all the issues he continually brings up, then let it go. "Let God" is not some quip to fill space. Too often we are in our own way. We all need to Let God do His will in us and through us, but it is His will, not ours.
Manitoba; Your comments sound very rude. Im sure a situation like what him and his family went through was very stressful and damaging. You belittle his situation and disregard any wrongful doings of a pastor who should be going to them in love and respect. After all, is the pastor not the one who is the leader? Should he not be setting the example? If you read Pete's comments you will note that on several occasions he went to go meet with Mike and try to resolve the problems, so what's wrong with him now asking Mike to explain. Will Mike run and hide behind his deacons once again. I for one think that Mike needs to go to Pete and make things right. Thats the Biblical way! Has Mike ever gone to anyone of these disgruntled people in order to make things right {and I don"t mean right in Mikes eyes, I mean right in God's eyes}? You {Manitoba} posting such heartless comment also show your sick, compassionless, spineless, character. You should be ashamed to even down grade the hurtful experiences this family has had to endure. After reading Pete"s comment I believe he is owed an explanation for the actions taken against his family, there is NO BIBLICAL justification for such disgraceful actions from the leadership and those involved at pvbc towards Pete and his family. I honesty can not believe more of you can't see the ongoing of the abuse that goes on by Mike and his followers. There is no BIBLE of any kind being practiced in this place. Im ashamed to say I Live in a City where a church like this even exists. You claim to be the only Bible preaching,believing church around, but I think your actions show the exact opposite. Im sick to my stomach just to see, and hear what Mike and his followers have done and continue to do. When you even torment innocent children in your despicable acts of discipline, you definitely practice a perverted gospel and go against what the Bible teaches. Only a BULLY picks on little children. SHAME ON YOU. All of you involved in these actions that took place and continue to go on will have to answer for them to God some day. I know one thing for sure ; I can hardly wait for Pete to continue with all the things that he has seen and been through. For MIke and all of you involved with him SHAME,SHAME ON YOU. be sure your sins will find you out. You have much to answer for.
Good Point ! >Concerned person. Would God just leave us to ourselves in our own wicked and sinful nature ? No,He loved us enough to come to save us,and set us free. Do you see a resemblance here ? God Changes us from Glory to Glory. Amen.
Perhaps then you missed the part in the audio clip where Peter had gone to him to confront him regarding his sin, alone and with witnesses (at around the 45 minute mark).
RE: May 2 4:23pm When My wife and myself first started to help out with the youth we assisted Gary and Lisa. After a period of time Gary and Lisa where removed from the youth Pastor position and Pastored the church in Trehern MB. At this time I was told to take over the youth Pastor position which I did until my resignation. Pete Reimer
Well the one who takes only the words of one side sir/madam - have you gone to the leadership before spouting your mouth and crying shame shame...So, please constrain yourself.... it smacks too much of me-too..without finding out the truth.
Peter in the audio you speak of funds being designated but not reaching the designation. How much money would you estimate was embezzled by leadership during your time at the church?
The question is not, to how much money is not important.Its a matter of what happened to it,as it did not go to the intended place or person.That's the real question, Why did it not go to where it was intended to go ? Well Leadership what it the answer ? Someone knows ...but i wonder who ?....
Floopyjoe have you still not figured out that Pete knows nothing? If you read all the other post you will see even all of his old youth have forsaken him. Even Jason Hiebert who was close to Pete at that time want's nothing to do with him and thinks Pete's a fool. Why would you believe anything Pete has to say? He obviously never had any impact on any one during his time at pvbc so what makes anyone think He's got anything worth while listening to?
if you try to give funds to someone in the church it is called "money laundering" so P.R. trying to give money to someone (or to him)in or through the Church and getting a tax receipt for it is a criminal offense. this seems to me to be the way P.R. rolls.
@ Wagon Burner May 3 10:56PM Giving money to someone in the church is NOT money laundering. You can make a donation and ask that it be directed to a specific person. If it is someone that the church has identified as a recipient of its programs (ie-a family who has lost everything in a fire and the church wants to help out, or a family with medical needs) however the church has ultimate control of the funds and CAN re-allocate those funds to another project. If PR gave money towards other families/persons that had not been identified by the church as a recipient of its programs then the church could still forward that money but could NOT give him a donation receipt for it. The funds would not be considered a gift and the monies could not be used in meeting the disbursement quota. Before making accusations and using those accusations to assassinate someone's character at least make sure you know what you are talking about. If you want more information regarding gifts/donations the CRA website is http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/prtng/gfts/whts-eng.html It is important to note that when you give to a charity the monies that you get a receipt for is considered a gift. The charity can use those monies as it chooses. Most people don't know this and that's when accusations of wrongful spending can come about. An ivestigation or audit would only show that everything has been done legally and properly. That does not mean that morally things have been done right.
PS Wagon Burner it is the church's responsibility to know the rules of giving and when donation receipts are to be issued so if there was anything criminal going on it would be the church and not PR who would be guilty.
The church still could have given those people the money and explained to the ones giving the money that they could not receive a tax receipt for it.
I am not certain why they did not just give the intended recipients the money themselves. Maybe they just wanted to remain anonymous.
What Pete has done in his youth I'm sure he has repented of otherwise he would not have joined the church and stayed their for such a long time.
He was driven away from the church because he would not "Do as he was told" or put in another way "let someone else dictate God's will in his life."...
I would Like to take this time to address Wagon Burner{MR.S] on his last comment about "Money Laundering", and "criminal offences". Once again I will remind you that I too understand how giving, tithing, and donations work. Not only did I give, but I also collected the offerings and helped with the counting and separation of funds. While helping out with this department I understand and have seen many designated monies come into the offering plates. Often people would designate monies to a variety of different areas. Let me remind you that just because someone designates money to something DOESN'T mean they expect a tax receipt for it, often they wish to do this to stay anonymous . Anyone who does the counting of the collections from the offerings knows full well who gives and how much they give. They know how to separate the funds into their proper locations. They separate the cash donations from the cheque donations. At times people put cash into envelopes and didn't leave any information on the envelope, tell me something where should this money go? Is this what you meant when you talk about "money laundering"? You choose to talk about criminal offences and this being how Pete Reimer rolls, would you really like to elaborate on that, Would you really like for me to state the things that I have seen take place in that upper room where the money gets counted, separated, and logged?Remember I also was in charge of the youth account and always had a budget to work with. Shall I mention the things that happened with that account? Please choose carefully what you charge me of; in your comments you talk of things you know little about. Remember God is very gracious and long suffering and has taught me to be the same. I have held back on MANY details hoping and praying that those involved would come clean. I suggest that before you choose to comment to me make sure you have the whole story and the truth.
Well stated May 13 @ 8:32pm. I hope and pray that you will stand your ground and not back down because someone is trying to discredit you. Those people that have never been in leadership DO NOT have a clue what all goes on behind closed doors. My husband has been there and seen and heard FAR to much. Only this was in a different church. All I would have to do is change some names and the location and we would have another similiar story. Pete Reimer, I understand that you are really holding back on some info because you want the guilty to come forward on their own. But, if they don't, I trust that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide you as to when, or if, to tell the public more. If your story helps even a few people to see what's going on, then it will be worth it. It is strange how the pvbcers even come to the neighboring villages and leave tracts in doors with invitations to attend their church. Yet, they will NOT set foot in another church. Isn't that a really BIG double-standard? If you want guests in your church so badly, should you not also be willing to go and visit other churches? You might get better results if you practiced what you preached. Also, why would I want to attend a church where the pastor shuns his own daughter, and therefore even his innocent grandchildren and also his parents?? No thanks! That is one place I want to stay FAR away from. To all of you who have shared your stories on this blog, I pray that God through His Holy Spirit will continue to heal your hearts even if PMS never apologizes to any of you. Signed KB.
@ Wagon Burner - seems you are trying to discredit PR with your comment (May 3 10:56pm) but you seriously need to get your facts straight. Giving money to an individual through a church is NOT even close to "money laundering". It happens all the time so that the giver remains anonymous. It is perfectly legal as a matter of fact. A tax receipt should only be given if the recipient had already been identified as a recipient of the church's program(s). (ie the church is taking donations to help a family who lost their home in a fire) If money is being given to someone that has not been identified by the church as a recipient of its programs then a tax receipt should not be given. The receipts are issued by the church and therefore if one is issued it would be the church that is guilty of wrong-doing and not the recipient of the receipt. It is the church's responsibility to know the regulations regarding giving. Here is a CRA website with some information regarding charities and giving. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/prtng/gfts/whts-eng.html As an outsider (not from Manitoba) I find it sad that some people will resort to lies to try to discredit this Pete Reimer. If he is guilty of something then the truth always comes out and there is no need to lie. PR said that the MS and members of the pvbc tried to discredit him and run his name through the mud. You Mr. Wagon Burner are just proving his point.
as a giver to a charity you can only give money to projects of the organization. Not to named individuals. and yes, it is money laundering. or I would give money friends and get a tax credit for it.
why don't you check the Canadian tax laws and then try to prove wagon burner wrong.
Here, this was taken from the link you posted.
Was the gift directed to a specific person, family, or other non-qualified donee?
Donors cannot choose the beneficiaries of their donations. A charity must have full discretion in deciding how to allocate its funds. A donor may request that a gift be directed towards a person, family, or other non-qualified donee if they have been identified beforehand by the charity as a recipient of its charitable program. However, the charity must be able to re-allocate all donated funds to other charitable programs or activities when it deems appropriate. A donation subject to a general direction from the donor that the gift be used in a particular program operated by the charity is acceptable, provided that no benefit accrues to the donor or anyone not at arm's length to the donor. When a charity does not have ultimate control over donated funds, or when a benefit accrues to the donor from donated funds, these funds do not constitute a gift and are not eligible for an official donation receipt.
@ May 18 10:41 - Where did you read that giving funds to someone is illegal? It only says that a donation receipt cannot be issued. Not all money that is given to a charity is a donation. If a church sells books does the person who buys a book get a donation receipt? Of course not! A church is not required to give a receipt to anyone. It is the church's responsibility to know who is entitled to the receipts it gives out. I have been a bookkeeper for over 10yrs and do the books for a church on a volunteer basis. When I first started doing the books for this church, the church was chosen for a random audit. I certainly wasn't comfortable with this news since I had been doing the books for this organization for less than one year. I was told that audits for charities were for the most part to help charities to make sure that they are doing things right. During the audit the auditor pointed out things that were not being done the way they should and followed up with a letter outlining where things needed to be changed or done differently to better conform to the regulations. During the audit the representative did tell me that is was legal for people to give money to other people/ families as long as no receipt was issued.
This will be my last post on this subject. I will not be dragged into an unending argument with people who will interpret things to fit their argument without knowing facts.
It is time somebody stood up to you. I am one of Pete Reimer's old youth kids. Not ALL of his old youth have forsaken him. I stand by him in what he says. I know what he says is the truth. I have sought out answers with an open mind and found them. Have you? In regards to this comment: " Even Jason Hiebert who was close to Pete at that time want's nothing to do with him and thinks Pete's a fool." Jason has always been one to look for approval from people. He does what is convenient for him in the moment; whatever makes him look better. Jason was close with Pete at one time, but as soon as accusations were flung he did what was the more popular thing. He compromised his friendship to remain popular. Some friend. Enough on Jason though. He was not the only one to do that. Sadly there were many others. Pete has never had any impact on the youth while at PVBC? Funny story. I remember very clearly the day that Gary and Lisa were asked to be youth leaders. I remember how at first everyone was excited because they respected Gary and Lisa. Not long after they took over, the youth started talking about why Gary and Lisa were no longer fun. They seemed to be on a power trip. Some of you will conveniently forget this..but I remember very clearly. The youth lost respect for the Driedgers. I also remember the youth wanting Pete and Connie to be more involved. I can only speak for myself I guess, but Pete and Connie have had an good influence in my life. They have not forsaken God. I would even go so far to say that they have grown closer to Him since leaving PVBC. I love and respect them greatly. And before you throw your accusations back at me...remember to chose your words carefully. It is easy to sit there and make your judgement while sitting in the good graces of Mike himself. One day the tables will be turned and you will be forced to reconsider everything you ever believed in. One day your eyes will be opened, but you will find that you have burned every bridge there is without even realizing it. Who will be there for you when the people closest to you turn their backs on you? Who will you turn to then? Take your stand-but DO NOT cut others down in the process.
To anonymous @ 22 May, 2011 9:46 AM Hello "friend" i think? im glad you think all i do is look out for #1 that is what you are saying right. ill suggest something to you that you say others are to do check your facts please. and im leaving my phone # if you would like to talk 362-2907. Thanks Jason
I find this interesting about Jason . Jason please fill us in, is Pete Reimer a friend of yours or not? Do you still talk to him or must you shun him? Jason what do you think about what Pete has to say in his comment's and on Laura's blog.
Sir do you know what it means to shun someone? You can still talk to them when you meet up with them.When you pray for this person on a continual bases your concern for them is greater than before. You do not want to destroy these people but to love them back. How you miss the relationship you once had. I also know Jason from youth and that he had alot of respect for Pete. All the more reason for him to keep on praying for Pete, and for all of us to pray for each other.I'll keep praying for a MIRACLE!!
I was also there at the time. I asked my parents a few questions. First i asked about Pete's childhood. Then we started talking about youth. I remember thinking that the Hiebert's were favored by Pete and Connie. When we talked about it ,the whole thing started making sense to me. Pete came from a childhood much like Jason did that was why the special bond. I know myself that the person who lead me to the LORD has a special place in my heart. I know that this was a hard time for ALL the youth,and we pray that one day everything will be made right. We pray for All of you and we hurt because our church family is broken. We love you and will continue to say hi to you when I see you.
How interesting, The days are going by and still Jason Hiebert refuses to answer my questions about Pete. Funny how all the other times Jason would be right back in there giving his opinions and his phone number. Tick tick tick tick I'm waiting Jason. Tell us where does your Loyalty dwell?
wow i didn't realize that peoples lives revolved around me responding here. in case anyone cares i was out of town not that it matters much. as far as who i consider friends, i believe that tho it may be currently a new dictionary definition you cannot "unfriend" someone. to me a friend is anyone who has touched your life in someway and thats not something that can be removed. so yes there are alot of people that i would say are my friends. hope this is clear enough for my friends who find it too hard to just talk to me, yes i did just say that street runs 2 ways if you are so interested in what im doing now call me i will probably even buy you a coffee. thanks Jason
Hi Pete Reimer. I am just wondering if you have anymore to add to your story. Is there a part 3, or have you told all there is to tell? I believe that many who were looking at pvbc as their church, will have changed their minds and go elsewhere, realizing that if PMS does this to all who question him, they want no part of it. Thanks for sharing your story.
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LOL! The college test for final exams written by PMS with the questions: #1 For 100 points "I like my teacher" True or False.
Question #14 bonus question for 200 points "I love my teacher" True or False.
The last question for bonus marks Answer the question "Why do I love my teacher so much"
Was this meeting posted ahead of time? Just wondering if I wanted to attend one how I would find out.
It was spread by word of mouth, and to find out about a meeting you would have to know someone involved in the situation. So far, another meeting has not been set up.
And this meeting accomplished what? Who organized this meeting?
I was there. People's eyes where opened to the truth, not only people who where there but people who have listened to the recordings.
I'm amazed at the effort some people will go to in order to "destroy" someone. Doesn't sound very Christian-like to me (despite what that person has done to you or other). I'm pretty sure God didn't want people to get together and "gossip" about their problems in public.
This is not gossip, this is people sharing their personal experience to warn others.
Matthew 18:6 - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
I Timothy 5:19+20 - Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Numbers 32:23 - Behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
It's not about "destroying" someone. It's about standing up for what's right and stopping what's wrong.
Do people honestly think all this would be happening if the preacher was actually honest and had nothing to hide?
Even tho I myself did not attend the meeting(nor have any hand in it), I believe that it probably helped those who have been hurt over the years to begin the healing process.
This was a public meeting (spread by word of mouth),and everyone was made aware that the proceedings were being recorded.
I actually watched and listened to the recordings last night. VERY interesting.
At the very least,the pain and ridicule that some of these people went thru was made visible.
I hope and pray that healing will now take place and people can begin to live their lives unhindered for GOD.
Prov 28:10 Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit.
Acts 10:34 God is no respecter of persons.
Proverbs 29:23-27 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit. Whoso is partner with a thief hateth his own soul: he heareth cursing and bewrayeth it not. The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe. An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is an abomination to the wicked.
I'm still trying to figure out what Mike Sullivant has to hide.
I hear alot of people saying that he is hiding things, but no one will say what it is. only that they are hurt.
Anon 4:20pm - You HAVE to be talking about PMS. Yes, PMS did and still is putting forth a BIG effort into 'destroying' peoples lives and he has his little 'YES MEN' in place. It's HIS way or the highway. If you are not a 'YES MAN' within an IFB church, you are put through unbiblical church discipline and your name is turned to mud. My family has been there and gone through unbelievable hardships in regards to the IFB church. It is our duty to warn others of his destructive ways.
Thank you Pete for sharing. It's not an easy thing to do to put yourself out there like that. May people's eyes and hearts be open to the truth.
Prov 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Proverbs 26:24-28 He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him; When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart. Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation. Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him. A lying tongue hateth [those that are] afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.
3 John 1:10 - Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
There is a cult recovery center in the States called Wellspring. I think all you should go. I'm sure it would help you heal. I think I'll go to church, oh wait, the cult.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I think even if you are not part of the church it is our business since we know people who are in the church, whom we care for deeply.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Just a note for Pete and all else who care to read.
Just wanting to say that the standards that you talk about at the start of this audio clip. Thank you for almost literally drilling them into me as a teen while having me at your house or talking me fishing. the things you taught me back in those days has greatly helped in making me the man i am today. while you look back today and say they are a curse i look back and see how badly i could have messed up my life if it weren't for them and you.
Thanks Again
Jason Hiebert
gtjay2@gmail.com 204-362-2907
Thank you Peter for sharing your story and sounding the alarm on the Diotrephes dictators who want preeminence. We also have a story to tell and it relates to one of Michael Sullivant’s disciples John Rempel at MBC in Brownsville Ontario (see the anonymous story as well). We don’t have 13 years of experience in the church but 3 years was enough. As we were not properly treated, shunned and told to leave we want to warn others before they get involved in these churches. PVBC had a direct hand in this as MBC is a satellite dependent upon PVBC. Look for our story we are thinking of doing an audio and possibly a video documentary. Give this verse some thought 3rd John:9-10 “I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the pre-eminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.”
Pete.. were you working at, or keeping an eye on things at the collage when Laura was attending and ended up leaving the church? Are your two stories connected somehow?
I feel that it is important for me to say that any information which I have shared was my personal experiences while at pvbc. Although I have only shared just a few minor details at the meeting one does need to understand that these are MY experiences. There is no way that time would have allowed for me to share all my experiences that night. While in a youth pastor position; at no time did I ever try to deceive or lead anyone astray, not youth or children or adult. Im not saying that I wouldn't do things different if I had the chance to do it again, but I did the best I could with the knowledge I had a the time. I too was deceived by many beliefs,so called convictions and walk of the christian life. Im sure I wouldn't have been placed into a postion of leadership if I would have had a difference in opinion at that time. Im sure God blessed many inspite of my ignorance, and still continues to do so. My problem has never been with the people of pvbc only those who where in leadership at the time and refused to hear me out; turning their backs on me and shunning me and continuing to listen to the lies that pms feed them so that they wouldn't turn on him. Many of these individuals have known about these problems for years but know that if they will speak out pms will do the same to them as he has to other Innocent people. Some are in so deep that they think their lives would be destroyed if they spoke out the truth. The truth is that there are many great people who still attended pvbc but honestly haven't got the slightest idea what has and continues to go on behind closed doors. When My family left all of are so called friends deserted us and stopped fellowship with us because they choose to believe the lies that pms told them. He did so because he knew that I saw and knew to much and having anyone listen and believe what I told them would jeopardize his creditability and position as pastor of the church. People have asked me why I want to destroy pms? The answer is I don't, proof shows that he has done that all on his own. For a long time I approached him in a Biblical fashion addressing my concerns, By myself and with other members, college staff, Dr Dell. and so on. On most cases pms sent them out of the meetings so that I would have no witnesses. I then told him if I couldn't have any witnesses I wouldn't be having any more meetings with him. This is where pms then told the church that I refused to meet with him and get things right. See pms mixes some truth with some lies so that he can say he told the truth. I still wait for most of our old friends to come to me and hear my side of the story. It amazes me how someone can make a decision with only half the information or one side of the story. I have never turned my back on any of our old friends but choose not to approach them because I was accused of trying to split the church, so I thought if they wanted to hear my side they could come ask me. I thank God that we are free from the bondage we were in at pvbc. Now being on the outside I could choose to be ignorant and avoid the problems at pvbc, or I can do my christian duty and protect others from the same harm many have been through. I am threatened , defamed, lied about, and even been told that I was being sent to hell and given to the devil. Trust me you really cant hurt my feelings anymore. I know Im a child of God and that he loves me and all that He has, I have inherited as His child. By Gods Mercy and Grace I continue. Many of you have read the stories of others experiences and someday soon I too will share mine. PETE REIMER
every story that evening was equally as powerful as Pete's... there is video.
Get in contact with the bridge is out or someone you know attended for more info.
My how you wolves are circling. But instead of howling it sounds more like whimpering:{ Did Pete and the others get their bottles tonight?
4:39 p.m. you condemn yourself and the other reprobates with the scriptures.
Reprobate, according to Websters is abandoned to error and or apostasy, Sounds like the panel the other night.
Keep whimpering you wolves in cheap sheep clothes:(
P.S. GOOD NIGHT :)
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when so many people are saying the same thing about one man, there is something wrong here. If it was only a few mistakes he had made, we would accept that because everyone is human.
Most people that leave just want to leave quietly and not harm the cause of Christ. But he has hurt and broken so many families that we would be hurting the cause of Christ by NOT warning the innocent about him.
He DOES have something to hide. Question him about anything and you will be publicly humiliated. He is afraid of anyone who knows the truth about him and that is why he feels the need to discredit them, tell the congregation lies that they swallow without question.
I heard a member say the other day "It doesn't matter what the Bible says, if pastor says it, it must be true"
Looks a bit cultish to me with all the shunning that is encouraged.
Does anyone wonder why there is such a high turnover of staff? 4 Staff couples got church disciplined, 4 of the original 5 deacons have chosen to step down, 3 have left all together. At least 7 people have been church disciplined for reasons the Bible never mentions. People in leadership just disappear and nobody thinks twice? I know personally over 50 members who have left, I'm sure there are many more that I don't know of and I know several who have left in the past month.
People. Something is wrong. The guy in charge is not God. He thinks he is and it is wrong. A new pastor is needed, one who is accountable for his actions.
So, when do you people have your appointments or meetings lined up for the other side of the story???
Oh right you don't have to follow BIBLE when you decide on your own relevance who lies and doesn't.
I believe Laura had someone on her site with the solution of all the deacons and Pastor resigning, and an interim put in place till the people vote a new Pastor? That would be up to the members to decide, and it seems people at this meeting "pulled" theirs, or attend so little they are inactive. Some say they are not members till they want to be at meetings, then they proclaim to be members! WOW.
I have yet to understand, are these people members of a church anywhere yet? Why do they not serve there and be a part of something they can believe in. That's freedom of religion folks.
I disagree with and know plenty of sins of pastors in town and guess what?... that's their church business, and I can attend wherever I choose.
Our church chooses our Pastor. Get over it, and find yourself one you can follow. Your bittterness does not speak to a justified hurt, it speaks to your poor character and spiritual life.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that rebellion exists and people lie, and that people cover up their own sins.
Let's have all the sins of the testimony tellers be posted out on the table...no second thought enters your mind to grill your anti-PMS people's lives.
You think it's only fair for Pastor Sullivant. So, why don't you confess your faults one to another TRULY.
We know sin isn't your issue, because that is why the church disciplined...you would not repent of sins, so yes, of course you don't air that part of your dirty laundry.
No it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that over 500 people that attend PVBC can't be wrong about their Pastors and deacons being good leaders.
If truth is measured in numbers than we still win. This public tactic is a reliance on false sympathy and lack of trust in the Lord for your own life.
Find a church, do good, and PRAY.
These people want to quote scripture to justify their actions. Well, here is one they seem to be forgetting also:
Romans 12:19.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Why are you not moving on with life, living in peace and trusting God to take care of the whole situation? If it needs to be taken care of God can do a much better job than any of you. Besides, if any of you are wrong in your behaviors, you will have to answer for it. So, why not just trust God to handle it all instead of trying to step in and do the work for Him? It's different if some criminal activity took place and if it did then why have none of you gone to the police to fix it. If no criminal activity has taken place then why are you not moving on and succeeding elsewhere in your lives? Wouldn't that be the best revenge/testimony? That PMS couldn't destroy you and take you down. But, it seems you're letting the one that "destroyed" you have all the control over your lives even after you've left.
In God's Kingdom, revenge is unacceptable behavior, as is insulting a person, no matter how indirectly it is done. Instead, Jesus says we should do good to those who wrong us. Our desire should not be to keep score, but, to love and forgive. This is not natural - it is supernatural. Only God could give us the strength to love as he does.
Instead of planning vengeance, pray for those who hurt you. Rise above getting back at those who hurt you. By loving and praying for our enemies, we can overcome evil with good. According to Jesus, it is more important to give justice and mercy than to receive it.
Your best approach would be one of godly behavior: You should show others the kind self-giving love that Christ shows. By being exemplary Christians and showing a changed life, others may join you and become Christians too. A changed life speaks loudly and clearly, and it is often the most effective way to influence. Others may be won over by your love.
By giving an enemy a drink, we're not excusing his misdeeds. We're recognizing them, forgiving him, and loving him in spite of his sins-Just as Christ did for us. After all, the core of Christian living is to be like Christ.
Why Should We Forgive Our Enemies?
1. Forgiveness may break the cycle of retaliation and lead to mutual reconciliation
2. It may make the enemy feel ashamed and change his or her ways
3. By contrast, repaying evil for evil hurts you just as much as it hurts your enemy
Peter says in the Bible, "Don't repay evil for evil. Don't retaliate with insults when people insult you. Instead, pay them back with blessing. That is what God has called you to do, and he will bless you for it. For the Scriptures say,
"If you want to enjoy life and see many happy days, keep your tongue from speaking evil and your lips from telling lies. Turn away from evil and do good. Search for peace and work to maintain it. The eyes of the Lord watch over those who do right, and his ears are open to their prayers. But the Lord turns his face against those who do evil." (1 Peter 3 9-12)
Even if your enemy never repents, forgiving him or her will free you of a heavy load of bitterness. Sometimes forgiving a personal attack shows more strength than lashing out in revenge. Trying to prove one's power and authority often proves only one's fear and self doubt. When tempted to return evil with evil, leave revenge to God and spare yourself the dreadful consequences of sin-God will bless you for it. Put your energy into moving on and the rest will take care of itself.
So, was there any scripture mentioned in that "secret" meeting held between the disgruntled? Was there any Scriptural basis for these people coming together, besides sharing their hurt? Honestly, sad. Pete, for you to have to keep a test that had a humorous question as "evidence" for however many years, and make a duplicate to hide in a safe place, can we say, paranoid? Anyone who know the pastor knows that he has a sense of humour. Good grief, to talk for 90 minutes about your grievances?! Well, he had many a listening ear, for birds of a feather flock together.
Forgiving someone has nothing to do with the TRUTH people are bringing to light.
Can we get some definitions straight?
Vengeance:
infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge
If a blog makes our side of the story available, that's balance.
He has a literal bully pulpit. He sought to cut us off from all support of friends and the fellowship of the brethren. We have the right to tell the brethren our side.
This is just a real life consequence of his actions. It doesn't come close to "revenge"
It is a lie about people trying to destroy him, our prayer is that he will get right and restore the families he has broken.
He has made it so there is no way for people including the deacons to question him.
1 Timothy 5:19,20
"Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
THEM that sin rebuke before ALL, that others also may fear."
I have a problem with him telling me that only he knows what God's will for my life is, not only with my job but also with who I date and who I associate with. He is a spiritual bully. And what he does is so clearly spiritual abuse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_abuse
Whatever you want to call it. Seems like revenge to many people...seems like letting people know the truth to others.
This is for April 26, 9:21 a.m....No one should find a pastor he can "follow". Christians must follow Christ and Christ alone; He is our example.
For April 26, 9:31 a.m....Just so you know...in fact, truth is NOT measured in numbers. More and more you, who follow Sullivant, reveal your state of mind and attitude; it is not doing any of you a favour and most assuredly not doing the Lord's work a favour.
For April 26, 9:50 a.m....This is very good advice for Michael Sullivant. Thanks for posting it. I feel very sorry for him and his family; he will be held accountable for his family. He will also be held accountable for each of the church members/attendees that he has been an ungodly example to. I know that even now the Lord is waiting for Michael Sullivant to repent. The Lord still loves him as much as he did when he first was conceived and was totally innocent. It does not do Michael any good for others to condone his actions. Let's pray that he will repent, have genuine remorse and find genuine love for his family, and be a godly example to them, especially his sons who seemingly have learned well from him or who feel they must do as he does in order to stay in his favour. God, be merciful.
Boy! You YES MEN... I mean deacons sure don't listen to your master too well.
Oh, but, perhaps staying off the blogs only applied to the members not the leadership. Tisk,tisk, sounds like another double standard.
Seems like someone is getting on the defensive again, and can't help but ooze with arrogance and distain everytime they comment.
You naysayers can try to discredit us all you want and call us reprobates. But, I wonder how fasinated people would be to see the sins of the deacons or college leadership placed out on the table. Seeing as some of them also have trouble keeping their teens in line.(eg. NEW YEARS EVE) Hummmm!...I'm sure the cops would love to hear about that one.
You want to talk about paranoid? I wonder how BIG that filing cabinet is, where the "pastor" keeps all his dirt on people.
Oh, but we should just LOVE and FORGIVE, even thought the preacher refuses to LOVE and FORGIVE. ...Oops! sounds like another double standard.
Nope! Simply "moving on" won't cut it anymore. Besides, that would only take the pressure off.
Wouldn't want to do that now, would we?
Oh foi...everyone on this side thinks they are righteous. Everyone on that side thinks they are righteous. No one is winning this fight. And yes, it's a fight.
I wonder what would happen if Mike Sullivant would show the Public all the dirt he has on those that accuse him. I think that would shut them up.
Oh, but that would damage many peoples live.
I know that he would never show all the dirt because that would make him a destroyer of mens lives.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
1 Thessalonians 2:6 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.
7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
8 So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.
9 For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they [have] off the Jews:
I was simply referring to YOU people against Pastor Sullivant, you keep saying If SO MANY PEOPLE have something to say it must be true...sounds to me like you are measuring truth by numbers!
Nice try at a turn around.
And we should take out the verse, Follow me as I follow Christ????
...ummm...I recall the Bible referring to this attitude...the ones who insist WE FOLLOW CHRIST, not Paul or Apollas. And surely God never raised up leaders to lead people?
Let's not be jouvenile and try to portray that one can not respect the office of a pastor, and be respecful and loyal to him as well as follow Christ.
I am seeing a resounding theme from the people posting "their side of the story"...
Fools won't be corrected, scorners won't be rebuked,and in general the Bible principles for dealing with offences and church matters are completely disregarded.
PLEASE, prove to me that you follow Christ.
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1st John is full of ways that you can prove if one has the Son within.
Loving the brethren is a good measure.
If Sullivant loved anyone but himself, we wouldn't have anything to tell.
If he shared his collection of dirt with the public, he would lose all credibility... so he just shares when he's prepared to lose.
Who knew he would have such a big mound of his own.
To 1:49
The phrase is "follow me as I follow Christ" not just follow me. If the pastor is not following Christ then he should not be followed whether he is a pastor or not.SIBU
To April 26 1:29 If you really think that it is right for a pastor to have a "file" on different people, it just shows how far from Grace you have fallen. God puts our sins as far as the east is from the west and buries them in the deepest sea. If Sullivant were following Christ shouldn't he be doing the same? The people who know he has a file on them have probably already sought forgiveness and restitution from those they need to. Sullivant can't afford to "open" the files on people he can only threaten people with them. If he were to "open" the files, he would probably be hit with numerous libel, slander, and defamation of character suits for involving people who shouldn't be involved in certain matters.
*** The self-purging, the leaving of disgruntled people from the PVBC has removed some significant leaven. People aren't shunning you, they hate the actions that are designed to satisfy the needs of some people that have needs to hurt and to destroy.
If you meet me and want t oshare what the Lord is doing in your life, lets talk. If you want to entice me to say bad things about someone - then yes I will turn my back on you because I hate negative people. I would do that with any other person too. It is time you people learn to live a life that pleases the Lord, not one that trys to destroy his Kingdom.
When Sullivant teaches we are to forgive and forget other's offences, then we would expect him to practice what he preaches, wouldn't we? So it's hard to believe he would be in possession of files containing sins of past/present members. But WHOA, did one of his men say Sullivant "has dirt?" Does he REALLY?
I'm just gonna bare my heart out here because there is a lot of misrepresentation going on.
I can only speak for my self.
These past 6 months have been extremely hard on me and my family, I've been attending an awesome church that has helped me a lot in my relationship with Christ, there was a lot of healing taking place, I remember at one point telling my sister Melodie that I was going to be grateful for PVBC, it is preaching the gospel and if people are being saved and helped through that, what am I to harbor ill feelings towards it?
As far as I was concerned PVBC was behind me, I was free and it was not affecting my life and I could move on, forgive and forget so to speak. Forgiveness is sometimes a constant thing with scares that run so deep.
Perhaps that time in my life was meant to prepare me for this?
EVERYDAY since this all began I've had to battle with the urge for vengeance, hate and bitterness. It is only because of God that love has overcome, this is not to say that I have not been angry.
I pray for everyone in this situation, and no, I don't pray bad things on them! I pray for TOTAL reconciliation and healing.
I feel an immense sadness and grief for the people who are deceived (including MS himself), also my brother-in-law & sister. Only God can fix all of this.
I have said somethings I do regret, I have to remember that while I'm angry NOT to sin.
I have no problem with people choosing the IFB lifestyle, that is their prerogative, I just do not believe that it should tear apart families. My family is not complete without my bro-in-law, sister & children, we love them so much and miss them.
Yes, my dad has changed, all I've seen is good changes, and that is coming from a daughter that has not always been his biggest fan... he is not, and neither is anyone else in our family SDA, I wish everyone could believe that!
I am pleading for wisdom, understanding, love and grace here. Are we not Christians? are we not all going to be spending eternity together? I would love to have relationships fixed before we get up there.
I can't move on without my sister, and I don't want to, without her & her family.
My time and energy spent with all of this has one motive and purpose, to see my family whole again.
We are made to love and be loved.
Rebecca
Well said Rebecca, I completely agree.
@ Anonymous 26 April, 2011 9:59 PM
(aka, ***)
Do you realize,that you said you 'hate negative people'??
The Bible says we are to love the SINNER and hate the SIN!
You are very vocal on both of these blogs,and because of the libel that you yourself have committed I am being forced to edit you on mine.
No one can take us from the hand of God, just as no man can even come close to damaging His kingdom.
Just because someone is a pastor or deacon of a church,does not mean we are to ignore the verses in the Bible that pertain to rebuking a brother in Christ.
The only way that you can believe that they are above rebuke,is if you believe that they are above sinning and the flesh.
These are all just men...Human beings with the same temptations and sinful thoughts as 'joe-blow' on the street.
Jeremiah 23:26
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer.17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately wicked:Who can know it?
Not one of us has not told a lie,or had a bad thought about someone or something...
Are there any of us that have the power/ability to see into the HEART of someone???
Its easy to believe that someone is a murderer when there's a body,but what about the sins that are committed in the heart?
Or with the tongue?
1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said unto Samuel,look not on his countenance,or on the height of his stature;because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth;for man looketh on the outward appearance,but the Lord looketh on the heart.
Interesting read for those who claim to 'know the law'.
http://laurasullivantsterkmylifeunchained.blogspot.com/2011/04/april-27-2011.html
*** That is a good example that you should follow for all the bloggers. Do you think all those posting such hateful stuff against your father, were doing so in love? You will have to go to long lengths of editing, if after you decided to edit mine. You are responsible for everything said on your blog. It is good start by editing mine, keep up the good work. One other thing... you need to do a search on 'precedent setting legal cases involving blogging.." you will find those interesting also. The stack of hateful material is growing when one prints out the total blog....
HAHAHAHA!! Just remember Mr.***, that if you decide to write a novel with the now 511+ pages you've printed,I reserve the rights to any and all royalties.
and boom goes the dynamite
*** I would expect you to write the forward and part of the intro....
Jason could write the other half ab out the PVBC.. He seems to have an interest there ....
More seriously, nevertheless how it plays out will be interesting...
Will you be happy when your father and mother, sister and brothers are fully exposed, hung from the ceiling,and destroyed, with only the studs and rafters rs remaining at the church?
Don't worry Laura, Mr. *** and others are only trying to protect a corrupt PVBC leadership; they are not interested in the truth being told. They are using the threat of legal action under hate law legislation to muzzel those that know the truth. It would be a big stretch to think that Canada's hate laws could be brought to bear on those that tell the truth about their own experiences at PVBC.
Like the good book says, The truth will set you free.
Keep up the good work Laura! In the end PVBC will be blessed from a much needed purging.
I post this for Laura Sterk:
Here on April 13, 2011 7:12 AM you can see where H Siemens identifies himself as being the man with the THREE asterisks as *** . Yes *** is H Siemens. Remember the threee asterisks. ***
He is a VERY CLOSE FRIEND of PMS. Laura needs to know who Harry(***) is so that Laura knows who she is "sparring" with.
Wow somebody is panicking with an all-points bulletin for Harry - he must be an awesome person. If I didn't know any better, it sounds and feels like a Dennis, but I might be wrong. That would be a rarity.
It seems to me Mr.*** knows things we don't know to admitt that there actually is something to EXPOSE about the infamous preacher.
Also, Anon Apr 26 1:29, you're ADMITTING that the preacher DOES have a cabinet of "DIRT" on people.
Interesting! ... So, What would an "honest" preacher need a cabinet of "dirt" on people for other than to black mail them with???
Doesn't sound like a very LOVING or FORGIVING preacher to me.
Days go by and the comments continue. With no surprise to every sharing comment there's always an excuse or proud arrogant comeback. When people cannot freely express there experiences without others disputing or degrading the experiences these people have had; to me it shows the mindset and practices of these individuals. These experiences no doubt have effected people physical, mentally and spiritually. I can honestly see the true colours of these individuals and there closed minds. I read of comments from people who where never even involved with pvbc when many of these situations took place and find it interesting how they seem to know all the answers. I thank those who do keep me informed of items of interest and would like to say I knew who *** or Harry Siemens was from the first time he addressed me. You see I too know many people and have many connections. A man still working on becoming a "journalist" in a tenth place paper proclaiming to be all knowing and famous. Not really all that interesting to listen too, hoping a blog might get his name in lights. Here's one for you ,why would someone like HS get involved in something he knows little or nothing about? While your working on that I'll share something with you. Either way it don't make no difference to me my story continues. Pete Reimer
PMS needs to know where his life ends and where other peoples lives begin. Why does the college need to control who dates whom? That really is none of their business. But I guess they choose to reward the obedient/automatons and punish those who choose to actually think for themselves and make their own decisions. ---Floppyjoe---
To:*** @ 10:12 AM April 27
I have no interest in the PVBC. You make it sound like I have been hanging out there. I have been there four times in my life!
1- The first time I called pastor Sullivant and asked him if I could meet with him, as I had never met him before. This was about 10 years ago.
2- The second time I showed up at a service and talked to Mike and Brenda and some of Laura's siblings. This time I asked Mike what it would take to bring this family back together. I was told that Laura had to submit in writing that her accusations were false. I told him then that I couldn't see that happening. This was about 3 or 4 years ago.
3- The third visit was when I showed up a few weeks ago at the Wed. night service, when Pastor Sullivant addressed some of the accusations against him. That night I talked to Brenda, and a few of the siblings(and others)I was rude to Mathew that night, and after leaving and giving it some thought, I felt I owed him an apology.
4- The fourth visit was a week and a half after the prev. Wed night service. We were In the area for the weekend. I came to the Sunday morning service. My only reason for going was to apologize to Mathew. I did apologize to Mathew for the way I spoke to him. He accepted my apology. I then met the rest of Laura's siblings except for Michael Jr.
So to set the record straight, I have no interest in the PVBC! I do however have an interest in meeting the other side of a family that I have not had the chance to get to know. Can you blame me for this?
I'm sure you will find a way.
Jason Sterk
Jason - It was never mentioned you were hanging out at PVBC .. It was strange you showed up a few times at a church that some people on this blog despise, and some go even further than that, but I don't want to use the 'h...' word. What has been said about the entire Sullivant family here goes beyond anything one would wish on one's worst enemy.
To PR, HS is proud of contributing to a 10th place paper as you call it. However, by saying that you just put down the 14,000 of so people that read it weekly.
He doesn't need to let his light shine other than to let his light shine for Jesus. His access to media in the USA and Canada is quite remarkable, but always he has been an advocate for the food producers of this world, whether in Winkler, - Manitoba Canada and the world. If freedom to you means bashing whoever doesn't agree with you so be it. HS choses to raise and praise the name of Jesus, the one who died to set him free. As the song writer says he is an eternal - lifer... I'm sure your story will continue. Try HS, and maybe you will see where the story could go.. Many media outlets would love your so-called juicy hoary details.
Every time someone posts a negative comment about Pastor Sullivant, his family, and the members of the PVBC, the prayer chain lengthens. God is at work shown by the testimonies of four young bible school students recently. You want to experience life changing teaching, people who will be out winning souls for Jesus, not spending time on this blog venting and encouraging more 'h....-mongering'. Amazing Grace he died for me to set me free... Remember PR, while He was on the cross, I was on His mind. What a blessing, what privilege to know Jesus as Lord, to serve a risen Saviour, He lives! He lives within my heart! Take a moment to look at what is going on in Alabama, Japan, and around the world. This place PR, that spawned the 10th place paper, is the most fortunate place on this planet. Give God the glory for allowing you to live in such a place. Others are knocking at the Canadian immigration door, nearly a million on the waiting list wanting to come to Canada and many to Winkler and southern Manitoba where this 10th place paper is catching on, and catching on fast.
Many of you are waiting for me to continue to speak out on my experiences at pvbc and the things which I have seen. Before I do that I would like to share with you a letter that My wife and I received from Mike Sullivant during are so called discipline time. It states as follows Dated November 10, 1998 "Pete and Connie, we love you and want you restored to fellowship. We want to prove to you that we are "blameless" as church leadership. We can not keep you from accusing us but we can make sure that we do right. Pete,if you have the truth to your charges we need to know so we can make it right. God's work is too important to go on in sin. There are many other things I could try and set right but the above will suffice for now". One can read this and say ya so what's your point. Lots. #1 Why were we church disciplined? Especially Connie she wasn"t the youth Pastor I was. She was totally innocent in all of this.You disciplined our family Me, Connie and are children, Ashley was 6 years old, Colton was 2 years old and Brittany was 1 year old, what did they ever do? What does the Bible say of falsely Punishing those of like mindedness? #2 You have never proved to me that you as church leadership are "blameless".Rather every time I came to you alone or with others you said I was lying and told me to stay away from the ones where I got the truth from. You fired anyone who had proof or questioned you with any questionable situations or activities. Time after time I brought proof of my allegations and you refused to hear us out. I brought witnesses and you told them they would have to leave because this was between you and me. You never wanted me to have a witness for anything that took place. You could use Dr Dell for your advantage when needed but when I brought him as proof for my allegations you told him he was not allowed to speak and when He did speak out in my defense and as my proof you told him to leave. I found It very interesting how Dr Dell was such a man of God when it was to back you up but when He spoke out against you He instantly turned into a thief and a man of sin. You get your men to threaten me, defame me and my business, discredit everything I say and try to destroy me. Your hatred towards me and my family has gone on for the past 13 years and now you try to tell me I cant tell my story. I haven't even begun with the MEAT. It's time for you to get the truth out and come clean. My story is way bigger than what will get posted on a blog. Pete Reimer
Pete Reimer, you have some serious issues, Why on earth are you contacting a Pastor, with whom you obviously need to have a good chat with, through the internet, and through a blog that originated out of disgruntlement with that very church? You say you are so Christian, but your actions speak louder than words. You are acting like the little boy that got his toy taken away. How old are you? I don't doubt that there are issues that need resolving, but from your own testimony, you said that the issues you have are with the pastor, so go to him already. Are you truly willing to hear him out as you want to be heard? After 10+ years or however many, you are still living and breathing this mess? Have you moved forward at all in you walk with God? I am not judging, I am asking because it sure sounds like you are in bondage to the past. Let. It. Go. Let God.
As Rebecca has stated, there comes a time when dirt and accusations begin to eat up the person who flails them, it destroys, and hurts families and innocents.
How often haven't we, at least I have, apologized to a person I thought I had something on, I wished the worst for him, I even vented with some so-called friends, only to find out when I did go a meet him, all my vengeance hadn't affected that person a single iota. But when one tells the world those same things as we are on this blog, the effects can be much more far-reaching... Rebecca - do you really think all the people here that have accused and hurt will spend eternity with you? Will we have turned off some want-to-be Christians who said as my doctor friend said so many years ago when I thought he was ready to accept Christ. He said, "I'd rather spend eternity in hell then with my so-called friends in Heaven."
That was before the PVBC ever existed. That was the reflection of what he had experienced. Oh, I know that excuse won't wash for him, but how many people have we so-called Christians made react that same way? Just asking...
Anon 10:28 AM
Why do you try to reach others for Christ? Why do you go out and tell others about Jesus? Because you know there are people out there dying and going to hell! Going in the wrong direction! Why don't you just "Let. It. Go. Let God." Is God not more capable to win souls than us meager humans? Why? Because God chooses to use us as tools to further his Kingdom.
Likewise, those that have seen a wolf in sheep's clothing are choosing to be used of God as tools to warn others of a false teacher. They see people heading in the wrong direction. Why don't they just "Let God"? Because they are Jesus' hands and feet, the body of Christ.
Answer me this, regardless of what you believe is happening at the [church], if you knew of a false teacher would you just sit idly by watching people get hurt and deceived??? I think not. You would warn them. And if you say you wouldn't warn them, then I would question your love of the brethren.
@Southern Manitoban
Is it just me or is it extremely paradoxical for someone who has so much to say on here to advocate letting go and letting God? Maybe you should take your own advice and use the time you spend commenting here praying or something. Let. It. Go. Let God.
good grief, you totally missed the point. I was speaking to Pete Reimer, who has not let go of bitterness as evidenced by his actions and words. If he were truly concerned about that church being a "cult" with false teaching why doesn't he go to the pastor? That's who he has a beef with, right? That is my point, if he is not willing to take a Scriptural route to deal with all the issues he continually brings up, then let it go. "Let God" is not some quip to fill space. Too often we are in our own way. We all need to Let God do His will in us and through us, but it is His will, not ours.
Manitoba; Your comments sound very rude. Im sure a situation like what him and his family went through was very stressful and damaging. You belittle his situation and disregard any wrongful doings of a pastor who should be going to them in love and respect. After all, is the pastor not the one who is the leader? Should he not be setting the example? If you read Pete's comments you will note that on several occasions he went to go meet with Mike and try to resolve the problems, so what's wrong with him now asking Mike to explain. Will Mike run and hide behind his deacons once again. I for one think that Mike needs to go to Pete and make things right. Thats the Biblical way! Has Mike ever gone to anyone of these disgruntled people in order to make things right {and I don"t mean right in Mikes eyes, I mean right in God's eyes}? You {Manitoba} posting such heartless comment also show your sick, compassionless, spineless, character. You should be ashamed to even down grade the hurtful experiences this family has had to endure. After reading Pete"s comment I believe he is owed an explanation for the actions taken against his family, there is NO BIBLICAL justification for such disgraceful actions from the leadership and those involved at pvbc towards Pete and his family. I honesty can not believe more of you can't see the ongoing of the abuse that goes on by Mike and his followers. There is no BIBLE of any kind being practiced in this place. Im ashamed to say I Live in a City where a church like this even exists. You claim to be the only Bible preaching,believing church around, but I think your actions show the exact opposite. Im sick to my stomach just to see, and hear what Mike and his followers have done and continue to do. When you even torment innocent children in your despicable acts of discipline, you definitely practice a perverted gospel and go against what the Bible teaches. Only a BULLY picks on little children. SHAME ON YOU. All of you involved in these actions that took place and continue to go on will have to answer for them to God some day. I know one thing for sure ; I can hardly wait for Pete to continue with all the things that he has seen and been through. For MIke and all of you involved with him SHAME,SHAME ON YOU. be sure your sins will find you out. You have much to answer for.
Good Point ! >Concerned person. Would God just leave us to ourselves in our own wicked and sinful nature ? No,He loved us enough to come to save us,and set us free. Do you see a resemblance here ? God Changes us from Glory to Glory. Amen.
@Southern Manitoban
Perhaps then you missed the part in the audio clip where Peter had gone to him to confront him regarding his sin, alone and with witnesses (at around the 45 minute mark).
The question was asked of PR when he became youth pastor? I thought he was only a youth leader, or was he both.
Maybe he needs to clarify that..
RE: May 2 4:23pm When My wife and myself first started to help out with the youth we assisted Gary and Lisa. After a period of time Gary and Lisa where removed from the youth Pastor position and Pastored the church in Trehern MB. At this time I was told to take over the youth Pastor position which I did until my resignation. Pete Reimer
"The question was asked of PR when he became youth pastor? I thought he was only a youth leader, or was he both.
Maybe he needs to clarify that.."
This was covered in his presentation.
Well the one who takes only the words of one side sir/madam - have you gone to the leadership before spouting your mouth and crying shame shame...So, please constrain yourself.... it smacks too much of me-too..without finding out the truth.
Peter in the audio you speak of funds being designated but not reaching the designation. How much money would you estimate was embezzled by leadership during your time at the church?
The question is not, to how much money is not important.Its a matter of what happened to it,as it did not go to the intended place or person.That's the real question, Why did it not go to where it was intended to go ? Well Leadership what it the answer ? Someone knows ...but i wonder who ?....
Floopyjoe have you still not figured out that Pete knows nothing? If you read all the other post you will see even all of his old youth have forsaken him. Even Jason Hiebert who was close to Pete at that time want's nothing to do with him and thinks Pete's a fool. Why would you believe anything Pete has to say? He obviously never had any impact on any one during his time at pvbc so what makes anyone think He's got anything worth while listening to?
FYI...
if you try to give funds to someone in the church it is called "money laundering" so P.R. trying to give money to someone (or to him)in or through the Church and getting a tax receipt for it is a criminal offense.
this seems to me to be the way P.R. rolls.
Where have all the folks gone?
@ Wagon Burner May 3 10:56PM
Giving money to someone in the church is NOT money laundering. You can make a donation and ask that it be directed to a specific person. If it is someone that the church has identified as a recipient of its programs (ie-a family who has lost everything in a fire and the church wants to help out, or a family with medical needs) however the church has ultimate control of the funds and CAN re-allocate those funds to another project.
If PR gave money towards other families/persons that had not been identified by the church as a recipient of its programs then the church could still forward that money but could NOT give him a donation receipt for it. The funds would not be considered a gift and the monies could not be used in meeting the disbursement quota.
Before making accusations and using those accusations to assassinate someone's character at least make sure you know what you are talking about.
If you want more information regarding gifts/donations the CRA website is http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/prtng/gfts/whts-eng.html
It is important to note that when you give to a charity the monies that you get a receipt for is considered a gift. The charity can use those monies as it chooses. Most people don't know this and that's when accusations of wrongful spending can come about. An ivestigation or audit would only show that everything has been done legally and properly. That does not mean that morally things have been done right.
PS Wagon Burner it is the church's responsibility to know the rules of giving and when donation receipts are to be issued so if there was anything criminal going on it would be the church and not PR who would be guilty.
@Wagon Burner
The church still could have given those people the money and explained to the ones giving the money that they could not receive a tax receipt for it.
I am not certain why they did not just give the intended recipients the money themselves. Maybe they just wanted to remain anonymous.
What Pete has done in his youth I'm sure he has repented of otherwise he would not have joined the church and stayed their for such a long time.
He was driven away from the church because he would not "Do as he was told" or put in another way "let someone else dictate God's will in his life."...
I see Some anonymous is trying to play the part of the Devils Advocate again!(in reply to floppy Joe)
I would Like to take this time to address Wagon Burner{MR.S] on his last comment about "Money Laundering", and "criminal offences". Once again I will remind you that I too understand how giving, tithing, and donations work. Not only did I give, but I also collected the offerings and helped with the counting and separation of funds. While helping out with this department I understand and have seen many designated monies come into the offering plates. Often people would designate monies to a variety of different areas. Let me remind you that just because someone designates money to something DOESN'T mean they expect a tax receipt for it, often they wish to do this to stay anonymous . Anyone who does the counting of the collections from the offerings knows full well who gives and how much they give. They know how to separate the funds into their proper locations. They separate the cash donations from the cheque donations. At times people put cash into envelopes and didn't leave any information on the envelope, tell me something where should this money go? Is this what you meant when you talk about "money laundering"? You choose to talk about criminal offences and this being how Pete Reimer rolls, would you really like to elaborate on that, Would you really like for me to state the things that I have seen take place in that upper room where the money gets counted, separated, and logged?Remember I also was in charge of the youth account and always had a budget to work with. Shall I mention the things that happened with that account? Please choose carefully what you charge me of; in your comments you talk of things you know little about. Remember God is very gracious and long suffering and has taught me to be the same. I have held back on MANY details hoping and praying that those involved would come clean. I suggest that before you choose to comment to me make sure you have the whole story and the truth.
Well stated May 13 @ 8:32pm. I hope and pray that you will stand your ground and not back down because someone is trying to discredit you. Those people that have never been in leadership DO NOT have a clue what all goes on behind closed doors. My husband has been there and seen and heard FAR to much. Only this was in a different church. All I would have to do is change some names and the location and we would have another similiar story. Pete Reimer, I understand that you are really holding back on some info because you want the guilty to come forward on their own. But, if they don't, I trust that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide you as to when, or if, to tell the public more. If your story helps even a few people to see what's going on, then it will be worth it. It is strange how the pvbcers even come to the neighboring villages and leave tracts in doors with invitations to attend their church. Yet, they will NOT set foot in another church. Isn't that a really BIG double-standard? If you want guests in your church so badly, should you not also be willing to go and visit other churches? You might get better results if you practiced what you preached. Also, why would I want to attend a church where the pastor shuns his own daughter, and therefore even his innocent grandchildren and also his parents?? No thanks! That is one place I want to stay FAR away from. To all of you who have shared your stories on this blog, I pray that God through His Holy Spirit will continue to heal your hearts even if PMS never apologizes to any of you. Signed KB.
@ Wagon Burner - seems you are trying to discredit PR with your comment (May 3 10:56pm) but you seriously need to get your facts straight. Giving money to an individual through a church is NOT even close to "money laundering". It happens all the time so that the giver remains anonymous. It is perfectly legal as a matter of fact. A tax receipt should only be given if the recipient had already been identified as a recipient of the church's program(s). (ie the church is taking donations to help a family who lost their home in a fire) If money is being given to someone that has not been identified by the church as a recipient of its programs then a tax receipt should not be given.
The receipts are issued by the church and therefore if one is issued it would be the church that is guilty of wrong-doing and not the recipient of the receipt. It is the church's responsibility to know the regulations regarding giving.
Here is a CRA website with some information regarding charities and giving. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/prtng/gfts/whts-eng.html
As an outsider (not from Manitoba) I find it sad that some people will resort to lies to try to discredit this Pete Reimer. If he is guilty of something then the truth always comes out and there is no need to lie.
PR said that the MS and members of the pvbc tried to discredit him and run his name through the mud. You Mr. Wagon Burner are just proving his point.
18 May, 2011 12:39 PM
as a giver to a charity you can only give money to projects of the organization. Not to named individuals. and yes, it is money laundering. or I would give money friends and get a tax credit for it.
why don't you check the Canadian tax laws and then try to prove wagon burner wrong.
Here, this was taken from the link you posted.
Was the gift directed to a specific person, family, or other non-qualified donee?
Donors cannot choose the beneficiaries of their donations. A charity must have full discretion in deciding how to allocate its funds. A donor may request that a gift be directed towards a person, family, or other non-qualified donee if they have been identified beforehand by the charity as a recipient of its charitable program. However, the charity must be able to re-allocate all donated funds to other charitable programs or activities when it deems appropriate.
A donation subject to a general direction from the donor that the gift be used in a particular program operated by the charity is acceptable, provided that no benefit accrues to the donor or anyone not at arm's length to the donor.
When a charity does not have ultimate control over donated funds, or when a benefit accrues to the donor from donated funds, these funds do not constitute a gift and are not eligible for an official donation receipt.
@ May 18 10:41 - Where did you read that giving funds to someone is illegal? It only says that a donation receipt cannot be issued. Not all money that is given to a charity is a donation. If a church sells books does the person who buys a book get a donation receipt? Of course not! A church is not required to give a receipt to anyone. It is the church's responsibility to know who is entitled to the receipts it gives out. I have been a bookkeeper for over 10yrs and do the books for a church on a volunteer basis. When I first started doing the books for this church, the church was chosen for a random audit. I certainly wasn't comfortable with this news since I had been doing the books for this organization for less than one year. I was told that audits for charities were for the most part to help charities to make sure that they are doing things right. During the audit the auditor pointed out things that were not being done the way they should and followed up with a letter outlining where things needed to be changed or done differently to better conform to the regulations. During the audit the representative did tell me that is was legal for people to give money to other people/ families as long as no receipt was issued.
This will be my last post on this subject. I will not be dragged into an unending argument with people who will interpret things to fit their argument without knowing facts.
To Annonymous 3 May, 2011 7:53 PM
It is time somebody stood up to you. I am one of Pete Reimer's old youth kids. Not ALL of his old youth have forsaken him. I stand by him in what he says. I know what he says is the truth. I have sought out answers with an open mind and found them. Have you? In regards to this comment: " Even Jason Hiebert who was close to Pete at that time want's nothing to do with him and thinks Pete's a fool." Jason has always been one to look for approval from people. He does what is convenient for him in the moment; whatever makes him look better. Jason was close with Pete at one time, but as soon as accusations were flung he did what was the more popular thing. He compromised his friendship to remain popular. Some friend. Enough on Jason though. He was not the only one to do that. Sadly there were many others. Pete has never had any impact on the youth while at PVBC? Funny story. I remember very clearly the day that Gary and Lisa were asked to be youth leaders. I remember how at first everyone was excited because they respected Gary and Lisa. Not long after they took over, the youth started talking about why Gary and Lisa were no longer fun. They seemed to be on a power trip. Some of you will conveniently forget this..but I remember very clearly. The youth lost respect for the Driedgers. I also remember the youth wanting Pete and Connie to be more involved. I can only speak for myself I guess, but Pete and Connie have had an good influence in my life. They have not forsaken God. I would even go so far to say that they have grown closer to Him since leaving PVBC. I love and respect them greatly. And before you throw your accusations back at me...remember to chose your words carefully. It is easy to sit there and make your judgement while sitting in the good graces of Mike himself. One day the tables will be turned and you will be forced to reconsider everything you ever believed in. One day your eyes will be opened, but you will find that you have burned every bridge there is without even realizing it. Who will be there for you when the people closest to you turn their backs on you? Who will you turn to then? Take your stand-but DO NOT cut others down in the process.
To anonymous @ 22 May, 2011 9:46 AM
Hello "friend" i think? im glad you think all i do is look out for #1 that is what you are saying right. ill suggest something to you that you say others are to do check your facts please. and im leaving my phone # if you would like to talk 362-2907.
Thanks
Jason
I find this interesting about Jason . Jason please fill us in, is Pete Reimer a friend of yours or not? Do you still talk to him or must you shun him? Jason what do you think about what Pete has to say in his comment's and on Laura's blog.
If you want to dialogue with Jason, you will have to call him or email him. Maybe he doesn't want to go "on the record".
Sir do you know what it means to shun someone? You can still talk to them when you meet up with them.When you pray for this person on a continual bases your concern for them is greater than before. You do not want to destroy these people but to love them back. How you miss the relationship you once had. I also know Jason from youth and that he had alot of respect for Pete. All the more reason for him to keep on praying for Pete, and for all of us to pray for each other.I'll keep praying for a MIRACLE!!
I was also there at the time. I asked my parents a few questions. First i asked about Pete's childhood. Then we started talking about youth. I remember thinking that the Hiebert's were favored by Pete and Connie. When we talked about it ,the whole thing started making sense to me. Pete came from a childhood much like Jason did that was why the special bond. I know myself that the person who lead me to the LORD has a special place in my heart. I know that this was a hard time for ALL the youth,and we pray that one day everything will be made right. We pray for All of you and we hurt because our church family is broken. We love you and will continue to say hi to you when I see you.
How interesting, The days are going by and still Jason Hiebert refuses to answer my questions about Pete. Funny how all the other times Jason would be right back in there giving his opinions and his phone number. Tick tick tick tick I'm waiting Jason. Tell us where does your Loyalty dwell?
Yes Jason..lets hear your side of the story? Why don't you talk to Pete and Connie any more if you were so close?
wow i didn't realize that peoples lives revolved around me responding here. in case anyone cares i was out of town not that it matters much. as far as who i consider friends, i believe that tho it may be currently a new dictionary definition you cannot "unfriend" someone. to me a friend is anyone who has touched your life in someway and thats not something that can be removed. so yes there are alot of people that i would say are my friends. hope this is clear enough for my friends who find it too hard to just talk to me, yes i did just say that street runs 2 ways if you are so interested in what im doing now call me i will probably even buy you a coffee.
thanks
Jason
Hi Pete Reimer. I am just wondering if you have anymore to add to your story. Is there a part 3, or have you told all there is to tell? I believe that many who were looking at pvbc as their church, will have changed their minds and go elsewhere, realizing that if PMS does this to all who question him, they want no part of it. Thanks for sharing your story.
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